Shingles

Unfortunately, not the roofing sort. It seems a young (8yo) relative has shingles. When she was taken to the doctor, he recognized it instantly, because he said doctors are seeing a lot of that in 7-12 year-olds now.

I heard that and immediately thought, “Chickenpox vaccinations.”

I’m not an anti-vaxxer. Vaccines have their place. But I’ve wondered about the huge vaccine load we’re dumping on kids these days. Newborns get immunized against Hep-B before they leave the hospital. How in the hell do they expect a 72 hour-old baby to be exposed to Hep-B?

I always wondered about the chickenpox vaccine, particularly. It’s a weakened virus type, which means you’re injecting the virus right into the kid. Sure, they might not ever get chickenpox, but now you’ve colonized their little bodies with the same virus that used to cause shingles later in life.

“Later” is now 8yo.

I found this at mercola.com (the reputation of which I’m unfamilar; take it with a grain of salt); it was published in 2010.

Chickenpox (Varicella) Vaccine: This Is Why a Shingles Epidemic Is Bolting Straight at the U.S.
By trying to prevent all children from experiencing chickenpox naturally, this policy may have actually created a NEW epidemic—not in children but in adults, especially elderly adults. Vaccinating children for chickenpox may very well be causing a shingles epidemic.

Whether or not Mercola is reliable, it does appear that he called it almost 6 years ago.

From last year:

Chickenpox vaccination does increase shingles cases, but mainly in young adults
Vaccinating one-year-olds against chickenpox could temporarily nearly double the incidence of shingles in the wider population, but in younger adults than previously thought.

And in children 7-12, if my niece’s doctor is to be believed. I like that “temporarily” doubling of the incidence. Temporary?

But don’t worry. They’ve got yet another vaccine for that.

Thank Ghu the HPV vaccines use virus-like particles rather than a weakened virus.

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6 thoughts on “Shingles

  1. Ruth March 24, 2016 / 6:59 am

    Your link to Mercola isn’t working BTW. And the answer to the question is that while he isn’t the worst he’s not the best either. I generally try to do my own research on stuff that I run across first there.

    It LOOKS like the study says that although its causing earlier shingles cases, the new cases are less severe? I’m not sure that we’ve had the chickenpox vax around long enough to really make that determination? I’ll have to see if I can take the time to read the actual study……

    PLus, whats a “less severe” case of shingles? Chicken pox is considered pretty benign by most folks, while Shingles is considered pretty darn nasty.

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    • Bear March 24, 2016 / 9:24 am

      Fixed the link. Thanks.

      The chickenpox has been licensed in the US for 21 years. What with millions of kids getting mandatory vaccinations, I expect there should be be a lot of data by now.

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      • Ruth March 24, 2016 / 1:50 pm

        Did a quick scan of the study. Its based on computer models. It does say “The new model is the first based on real immunological and virological data from individuals.” BUT, it also says that we won’t see the real impacts till the first generation is in their 30’s if the kids were vaccinated as 1yr olds. So its not actually looking at actual data. Its projections.

        Personally I’m going to hold off on hosannas of “it reduces Shingles severity!!!” till the vaccines been in society for 40 or 50 years I think.

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  2. MamaLiberty March 24, 2016 / 7:40 am

    Shingles are horrible! I had a bad episode about 25 years ago, and still have nightmares about it sometimes. Thing is, it could strike again at any time. There is no cure.

    I very much agree about the senseless load of vaccines given to children, especially babies. Vaccines are supposed to work by stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies. Babies don’t have much of an immune system until they are about a year old, so vaccines are not only a potential problem themselves, but basically useless for intended purposes when given that early.

    Hope the doctor will give this child the right treatment for shingles, and I hope she can learn to cope with the problem. It is fairly well known that stress and a nervous personality makes people who have shingles more prone to these episodes.

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    • Bear March 24, 2016 / 9:26 am

      “Nervous personality” is not one this girl’s problems. [grin] Although having to deal with the long term threat of shingles might change that.

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      • MamaLiberty March 24, 2016 / 10:08 am

        Glad to hear she’s not a nervous type! That would make things much worse. But stress… many kinds and levels are the source of a great many health problems. I have not had an episode of shingles since I learned how to deal with stress – and removed as much of it as possible from my life. It could happen again, but much less likely.

        Triamcinolone Ointment is one of the better treatments available, prescription only, naturally. She can try cocoa butter and coconut oil too, either as primary or supplementary treatments.

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