Update 3: Venturella wants this post gone. See below for original post.
I received a second reply from Mister Venturella (or someone using his sig-line).
My response: “No.” And I referred him to this post again.
So? why do you think you can call me “ignorant a*****”?
It is just a concept idea. If you don’t like I can accept the fact that you don’t like.
But now please just remove your post and your link and let’s solve this friendly and the story will end here. ok?
[previous quoted emails snipped. See below for originals.]
Paolo Venturella Architecture
Via Arturo Colautti, 5
00152 – Roma
PN: +39 06 9 784 06 71
MP: +39 339 75 46 342
I’ll take those one at a time.
- I suggested that Venturella is scientifically ignorant because his concept appears to be physically impossible without Star Drek force fields and antigravity. See below talking points. Even the idea that it can be “cantilevered” for support is simplistic. Simple cantilevering would only apply for the portions close to the Earth’s surface. Extended “arms” would require reinforcement in the opposite direction to deal with centrifugal forces.
- “Asshole” is hyberbole to emphasize disdain for the concept and for the person who demonstrated such ignorance.
- I absolutely will not remove a public discussion of a publicly published concept. If Venturella wanted no discussion, he should not have made his concept public in the first place.
- It is not “friendly” to demand criticism of your public work be deleted.
- It would be better that “story will end” by Venturella accepting that the law and common sense allow discussion of public material, and withdraw his ridiculous self-censorship request.
Sr. Venturella, if you think my comments — based on some basic scientific and engineering knowledge — are bad, you should see what other people are saying. One of the kinder comments compares your concept to a “high school science fair project.”
I live in America. Under our laws, I can criticize other people’s work. I can point out flaws. I can speculate that a person demonstrating apparent ignorance may well actually be ignorant. I can even use derogatory hyperbole to do so. Italian law — which for all I know might disallow all that — does not apply here. You can’t even enforce an Italian court judgement here if it is based on laws that conflict with American law.
And should you be thinking about abusing copyright by whining that I used your diagram, please note that copyright law allows for fair use. A single significantly down-sized graphic, out of many, used to illustrate what I am discussing, is allowed fair use.
A penultimate point, sir. Please familiarize yourself with the Streisand Effect. If you wish to minimize the attention paid to criticism of your concept, drawing more attention to it with unreasonable requests or demands isn’t going to help you.
What would be reasonable would be for you to reply, in comments below, to the points I’ve raised. If you find one valid, admit it and explain how you would address the issue now that you know. If you believe I’m wrong, explain why (i.e.- have you found something in materials literature that leads you to believe that materials of the necessary strength and low mass can be produced?).
Engage productively with your critics instead of trying silence them.
Original post (and previous updates):
No architects need apply.
Global Cooling Skyscraper
This works according the same principle of the “solar tower”. Thanks to the accumulation of heat in the glazed structure, air flows naturally from hot to cold generating rapid and strong flows. These flows bring hot air far from the Earth cooling down the temperature of the whole globe.
I’m not even sure how many ways that’s… wrong.
- How the ever-lovin’-fuck do we mine and process enough materials for a structure that size?
- That’s a cantilevered structure suspended from a single point; apparently one roughly FIFTEEN THOUSAND MILES LONG. The mass will be enough to affect tides. A lot. I don’t care if you build the SOB from aerogel and carbon nanotubes.
- Lunar/Solar tidal effects are going to warp it.
- If you build it anywhere but the ocean, the shadow over arable land is going to adversely affect crops. Hell, it’s still going to.
- Taking the diagram and artist conceptions at face value, the thing is at least a thousand miles thick. You’d have to totally clear everything from Low Earth Orbit (and some of MEO, depending on the real scale) of every bloody satellite. You’d never be able to launch another satellite because even geosynchronous birds start in LEO and boost up. Say goodbye to satphones, satellite Internet, GPS, polar commsats, the ISS, our space telescopes…
- That diagram shows air being sucked out of the atmosphere into space by thermosiphoning. I’m pretty sure Earth needs an atmosphere to support life.
This is what happens when you leave your laptop with Adobe Illustrator unattended with an innumerate, scientifically-ignorant architect.
Added: Damn, this monstrosity is stuck in my head.
Assume he caps the ends and recirculates the atmosphere instead of blowing it into space.
- The wind gennies in the uptake part could partially power fans in the return duct. It would still require power input unless someone has invented perpetual motion.
- But now you have a permanent colossal hurricane. I figure if this sucker is in the mid-Atlantic, the storm bands would extend well into Europe and Africa, and into the Americas. Forever.
- Aside from the megaGIGA-hurricane, the structure would be a wall blocking global air circulation. That might have some effect on global climate, ya think?
- Forget transoceanic air travel: there’s a wall in the way.
- And the never-ending, thousand-mile hurricane isn’t exactly going to help surface shipping either.
- Depending on how much light is blocked, this will impair photosynthesis — possibly shut it down — for thousands of miles. (Hint to Venturella: photosynthesis is what takes carbon dioxide out of the air and turns it into oxygen.)
- You could make up some of the loss of satellites by mounting comm relays on the structure, but that also requires making the structure stronger. More freaking mass.
- Trying to visualize this, I think a mid-Atlantic structure a thousand miles high is going to be visible in the Midwest. And those Cape Cod assholes thought wind gennies in their view sucked.
I assumed Venturella is just an ignorant asshole with mad Photoshop skills, but it’s been suggested that he’s actually just trolling everybody. Maybe even making fun of the AGW climate alarmists.
Perhaps, but I’ve seen enough honest dumbfuckery (particularly from architects) that I’m not ready to write this off as a joke.
Update 2: I thought it only fair to share this with Venturella. I just got an email back.
I LOVE HATERS LIKE YOU.
Yeah, all-caps. My response:
I’m not a hater, I just passed my high school and college physics courses.
(Hat tip to Watts Up With That.)
The earth rotates, and the same side does not always face the sun. To make this stupid idea work, he’d need to pivot it about the poles or some equator-circling structure.
If the contraption is hinged, there is a stupendous amount of energy required to accelerate it from the rotating reference frame moving at the tangential velocity of the earth’s equater to the sun-synchronous reference frame depicted.
If not hinged, he’s just put the earth off balance. How much wobble required to trigger devastating earthquakes?
The centripetal forces would be enormous, and of course the pig-ignorant architect has not bothered to even comment on the strength of materials required to build this monument to stupidity, despite a rich literature on the subject of megastructures.
Comparing this nonsense to a high school science projects is an insult to high schools, amateur science by children, and projects.
In truth there is little sport in shooting stupid fish in a barrel full of ignorance. This was never a serious proposal but a publicity stunt, and at that is has succeeded all too well. The Streisand Effect comes into play in cases where the fool is trying to hide or censor information. It’s hard to believe that this waste of time had any purpose beyond driving traffic to his website.
Sure, his feelz are hurt by your criticism, but asking him to respond to your points is as futile as asking a dog to explain why it ate some filth. Both creatures are incapable of comprehending the criticism, much less formatting an answer.
That’s hardly a fair comparison to the dog. At least was physically possible for the dog to get that stuff in his mouth, so by doggy logic, “It might be edible; don’t know until you try.”
Frankly, I was hoping Venturella would explain why he thought convection would draw the atmosphere out of the gravity well and vent into space. And why the UN_FRICKIN’_ROOFED atmosphere didn’t disappear into space (taking all the globular warming with it) last night. Reallly. I could use the laughs.