Well, I’m happy to be corrected

“If you’re at a “church” where “Santa Claus is Coming to Town” is playing then, you are not at an actual Church. Most likely you were at one of the government run, IRS incorporated, apostasies of State control over the minds of stupid.”

While I was aware that even some Christian churches frown upon the secular aspects of the holiday, I was previously ignorant of the fact that no “actual church” is permitted to include secular practices next to religious ones.

Oh, dear. My nieces are religious. I’d better scratch out the “From Santa” on those packages, lest they be confused and think we live in a free country where we can pretend there’s a Santa sharing joy in celebration of the Christian holiday, as well as recognize the faith-based elements.

But just to keep this straight… Is this a Christian Sharia law, or Muslim?

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4 thoughts on “Well, I’m happy to be corrected

  1. Fred December 4, 2016 / 10:40 pm

    It’s an opinion of Fred’s.

    The IRS incorporation part is, however, not opinion and the churches receive a twice yearly letter from a friendly IRS or associated contract lawyer telling them, in list form, what they may say and what they may not.

    This is control over over the stupid. This last part, being the opinion of Fred.

    It’s neither Christian nor Muslim sharia. It’s US FedGov sharia; was, is, and shall be my point.

    The insult, by Fred (me) about the music selection was rather harsh, but given the state of the American church it’s really nothing to bother with since the divorce, abortion and pornography rates are, by members own admission on internal surveys (southern baptist), the same as outside the churches.

    The American church is dying. It’s sad. Being Christian I have a duty to point it out (on Claire’s blog? maybe not.), including their music choices.

    I am not the one who institutes the changes over the hearts of men when they become (in my case, against my will) converted to Christ, but I will point out when those who are claiming the change are fakers. You may blame me for the perceived authoritarianism of the Christian faith but I am not the authority. I was busy doing anything, and do mean anything, but attempting to be contacted by the supreme deity to be converted against my will.

    Screw santa clause, the lousy children’s ‘christmas’ music, and the fake church. Oh and the FedGov too.

    I should be nicer, it is after all, it’s that time of year. Smile.

    I do hope and pray that your nieces enjoy the fellowship and be converted to His will. It’s the most remarkable thing. Subtle, almost imperceptible, changes, yet so profound that I am, truly, not the man I was.’Born again’ is an apt phrase.

    Merry Christmas.
    Fred

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    • Bear December 4, 2016 / 11:10 pm

      “I am not the one who institutes the changes over the hearts of men when they become (in my case, against my will) converted to Christ, but I will point out when those who are claiming the change are fakers. You may blame me for the perceived authoritarianism of the Christian faith but I am not the authority. I was busy doing anything, and do mean anything, but attempting to be contacted by the supreme deity to be converted against my will.”

      The funny thing is that a great many people over the years have made claims just as do you, except they had differing conclusions. Your diety hasn’t appeared to me to reveal his/her/xe/xir/xey/its Word. I have to decide which human claiming to have his/her/xe/xir/xey/its conflicting “revealed Word is 1) telling the truth and 2) isn’t crazy.

      I have to admit that I’d hoped that little disagreements over the correct religious observation were behind us. I suppose that next, you’ll insist that Jews slaughter pigs in Synagogues this Chanukah season, just to get them past their archaic beliefs.

      Thank G-d that here in America we have the right to worship as Fred pleases. Their is no G-d but [insert Freed-approved name] and Fred is his/her/xe/xir/xey/its prophet.

      Well, I’m glad to get that straight. I wouldn’t want the Inquisition after me for heretical displays. Wait…

      Should I take down the Christmas lights on the house? Then again, apparently the early Church thought that was an acceptable way to help pagans integrate Christianity into their lives.

      I’m confused. Help me, Obi Wan… Oh. Wait. That’s the Jedi Church. Do they do Christmas or not?

      But this seems to be saying that good works and intentions honor G-d regardless of one’s particular faith. Maybe that apostasy. So…

      Who’s apostate? The Roman Catholic Church? Baptists? Which Baptists; the ones who do Santa, or the ones who don’t? Anglicans? Where do Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists fit in here? Jedi?

      Everybody claims to have the Absolute Truth, and the inside skinny on what G-d thinks we should do for the holidays. Why should I buy your version over theirs? Even the various Christians can’t agree on what version of the Bible is correct.

      RE IRS: Strawman argument, Fred. Please note that I only addressed your decree that “actual churches” can’t do Santa Claus.

      I’d encourage you to likewise have a Merry Christmas, but it sounds as though you prefer to exclude the fun parts.

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  2. Fred December 5, 2016 / 11:40 am

    That’s a very funny answer and ” 1) telling the truth and 2) isn’t crazy” is an excellent, honest position.

    But I did not prescribe a single thing and I did not and do not claim to know the absolute truth. I only know the fraction that is my conversion.

    I did not make the statement at Clair’s blog out of a vacuum of ignorance. I’m not prescribing how people should live or worship. You seem to disagree with me personally. Your original objection was my point about the music. My insult was uncalled for, I should tell this church directly, that was rude. So taken at face value the holiday music may indeed be nothing but…

    1. secular holiday music. Maybe nothing.

    2. the church was a having rummage sale. Churches do this because the congregation is not supplying the need for the mission of Christ. I know this. Not a vacuum. Sad, could be nothing but probably not.

    3. Abortion rate (as mentioned). NOT NOTHING to God!

    4. Porno Rate (as mentioned). NOT NOTHING to God!

    5. Divorce Rate (as mentioned). NOT NOTHING to God!

    6. And the biggie, IRS incorporation. There’s the nest right there Bear. So, from experience and research, I see one roach and know better. Not a straw man. God does not tolerate submission unto any creature of the state. Don’t take my word for it on any of this. Read the Holy Bible and most importantly, ask Him.

    All six of these are mentioned in a negative light one way or another in the bible. But Christianity is not about a prescription for living. Stop looking for a religion to tell you how it’s followers think you should live. You might just find one you like. You could end up in a cult that way.

    Ask God!

    It is the single hardest thing to explain to a non believer that we are free and have free will, a blessing of God, and that the truly called hear his voice, are transformed, and no longer conform to this world. And then quiet extraordinarily, outside our own will simply no longer desire what we used to. It has nothing to do with a prescription for living from me or anyone or even the Holy Bible. I read and understand the Holy Bible because I hear the master and I want to do that which is pleasing to Him. This amazingly, conversely to what I thought prior to being converted, is the most freeing experience I could have imagined. All I’ve ever wanted, from the moment I walked into that prison compound of an elementary school, was to be free. And I’ve found it and wasn’t even looking. It’s a miracle from Jesus and impossible to understand, I don’t even understand it. I simply try to explain in human words what it’s like for me.

    So listen to whatever music you want, sell your junk to your neighbors because your too selfish to give the pastor a few hundred lousy bucks every month, and kill all the babies you want, and watch all the porno you want, and get divorced as many times as you want, and submit unto the FedGov and worship it’s prescription for living all you want. I did all this, except the rummage sale, to lazy, I would just throw a $50 at them, that’s what is needed. I did all this but no longer feel the guilt and shame of it. While were BS’in, I simply say that, I should have went to jail, more than once. Poof, no guilt, no shame, I can say it but I can’t explain it. It’s gone, because Jesus baby, that’s why. But I only care about these things NOW because I hear Him. You may do all these and worse and that is between you and a holy, righteous, just, vengeful, and terrible God who may yet save your soul and set you free or you could have a riotously enjoyable life outside of Him or He may allow the evil and spirit of this world to torture you into suicide. That’s His call.

    Do as you will, the consequences are yours, a Natural Law principle of God.

    I’m not God’s answer man. You should pray to Jesus and ask Him to explain it. He is the answer, He is the prescription, He is the savior of the world. I’m just a lowly sinner, saved by His grace, miraculously. You don’t have to be Christian to be a good person but you do have to be saved by Jesus to be Christian. I did notice that you won’t utter His name and use a dash. That’s fear, Fear of the LORD. You may be closer to Him than you think.

    Christmas is about God, fully man and fully God, in the same instance and at the same instant. He lived a perfect, sinless life and was hung on a cross, tortured to death. He became sin for you and his righteousness is imputed upon us if we believe. And after 3 days He was raised from the dead, He walked, He talked, He teached, He sat at meat. If you believe you will be saved, your sins removed, ye shall be free. I can’t prove this but he can. Ask Him. Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved.

    God Bless You.
    Fred

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    • Bear December 5, 2016 / 12:17 pm

      “But I did not prescribe a single thing and I did not and do not claim to know the absolute truth. I only know the fraction that is my conversion.”
      […]
      “I’m not God’s answer man”

      I see a bit of conflict there, Prophet Fred. You claim to know the TRUTH that churches can’t play secular music, but then deny having said answers. Answers that your deity neglected to share with everyone else.

      “Ask God!”

      Your — or that of the voices whispering in your head — omniscience is slipping, Prophet Fred.

      As for the rest: Take your strawman arguments — points I never raised or addressed — elsewhere. I decline to accept your criticism of me for your own odd imaginings. Your omniscient knowledge of my beliefs and positions seems to be faulty; have you checked the Heavenly FTC for recall notices?

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