On February 14, 2018 something didn’t happen.
- Fifty-five to one-hundred-twenty million gun owners did not commit mass murder.
- Laws forbidding weapons in school did not work.
- Laws forbidding the unlicensed carry of firearms did not work.
- A background check did not prevent deaths.
- School security did not save all the students.
Prior to that, more did not happen.
- Since at least 2012, police did not arrest a disturbed person for multiple acts of violence, threats, harassment, peeping, and weapons violations.
- Police did not Baker Act a “weird” “psycho,” making him a prohibited person unable to lawfully purchase a gun.
- A school did not press criminal charges against a person who broke multiple laws against weapons, destruction of property, and assault.
“Authorities” did not do the jobs they are drawing taxpayer money to do.
So to you celebrity hookers, Z-list actors, Dimwit pols, Repugnant surrender monkeys, lying media, and the rest of the gun people controlling victim disarmers:
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Stop blaming the fifty-five to one-hundred-twenty million gun owners who did not commit mass murder. Stop screeching for laws that infringe the human/civil rights of the innocent. Stop screeching for preemptively-prove-your-innocence prior restraint of constitutionally guaranteed rights, registration, and licensing with which the Supreme Court says criminals do not have to comply (look it up, dumbasses).
GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
You want to blame someone for the Parkland dead? Try the school administrators and police who looked away. Don’t blame me or the other fifty-five to one-hundred-twenty million who did not do it, and who have proposed solutions.
Solutions that do not involve assuming the innocent are guilty, and criminals will obey laws.
Solutions that do not violate rights.
Solutions that would work.
Solutions that do not involve:
- trying to figure out how many gun owners there are in that 55-120 million range.
- trying to figure out who they are
- trying to figure out where they are
- trying to figure out how many guns there are, out of estimates ranging from 265 million to three-quarters of a billion
- trying to figure out where the guns are
- trying to figure out where to find the money to hire enough SWAT teams to kick in 125 million doors looking for guns
- trying to figure out where to find the money to buy enough firepower and body armor to make the attempt marginally survivable
- trying to figure out where to find the money to to buy caskets when it wasn’t enough
Perhaps the mouthy Kardashian Klan, Schumer(s), Feinstein, Grassley, Shannon Twatts, Bloomberg, et al will don jackboots and volunteer to kick doors for free. If not,
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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Let me add….what is it about public schools that turn kids into mass killers?
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See the solutions link.
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I’ve told you of my extreme dislike of guns at least once before, so I’m likely to always argue against them. Your post is making me think about what the problem is beyond that, don’t tell your other nieces (we have to have something to argue over, right) and I’m really hitting a wall.
Okay, folks can go down the mental illness route. Fine. Take it there. Those folks can take it as far down that road as they like, but I feel that their argument still comes up empty. I walk around with anxiety and severe depression every day and harm no one with no weapon and have no desire to no matter how angry I am at the human population on that particular day. I know of countless others who struggle and they don’t do it. There’s the rogue narcissist who set himself on fire in the parking lot of Murphy’s where his girlfriend was working sound, but he also had a history of abusing her and other women. Okay, now, how many of these mass shooters have been proven to be mentally ill? And is that an excuse for committing an evil act, an act of terrorism? Can we really blame mental illness? Why aren’t we proving that we truly believe this to be true by voting in politicians who support universal healthcare? Seems to me that if we gave access to mental health facilities to *everyone* without attaching financial burden, they’d seek help. It’d become the norm to talk about mental health issues then get treatment for them.
So, there’s the first solution. Universal healthcare. Make healthy choice the norm rather than being a country that waits until a sickness is unbearable before seeking treatment.
There’s something to the shooters being straight white men. Hellooooo, elephant in the room. This particular shooter was a white supremacist, or nationalist as the media lovingly puts it. I wonder how many other of these straight, white men had this particular leaning? It’s a pattern. Yeah, you could bring up the shooter in Orlando, but we gotta remember that it’s likely that we radicalized the man. That’s the lone wolf of a very straight, very white pack of blood thirsty men.
So, I don’t have a second solution. You white men who actually believe in and demand equality are gonna have to get your folks in line cause we’re tired of being their victims.
I do have a question for you to theorize on cause I can’t even come up with a proper theory.
What happened after Columbine? What happened to the American psyche? Why has this become such a common occurrence if not access to guns and authorities not doing what we pay them to do? (Don’t get me started on that second part, the whole “who’s the boss” thing will always bother me) I mean, we had access to guns before and while there were mass shootings, they weren’t such a common occurrence. What happened after Columbine? Shouldn’t you adults have found a solution then and there? Were your thumbs up your asses and now my generation has to figure it out after dozens of these motherfuckers? I was a kid once, once. I looked up at the taller, more “reasonable” people and expected them to know what to do after Columbine and do it.
Instead of helping kids, you looked at us and begrudged us our youth. You looked at our fascination with the technology you dreamt up and birthed and called us brainless idiots. You look at our disdain for the system and the status quo and call us traitors. Traitors because we want something better than another mass shooting on the 10 o’clock news. Not once did any of you stop to think about talking to us, being kind to us, and getting the help we need to make it through these growing pains.
So, an actual second solution. Do away with the old guard. People over the age of 55, for the most part, are only looking out for #1.
Third solution, invest in the kids. We’re worth it.
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Nothing in my post or linked references and suggestions requires you to like guns. I’m not a fan of smart phones, but I’m not proposing a a federal “Smart Phone Ban.”
As for “straight, white men”:
Approximately 109,541,099 white males in US. Based on rough estimates of gay/bi, probably _at least_ 98,586,989 of those are straight. If each committed the minimum number of shooting deaths to qualify as “mass shooter” by the FBI definition, they’d have killed…
394,347,956 people. Which is considerably more than the US total population. Probably you should look some other potential causal factor. You know, John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer were serial killers with at least 50 victims between them. They weren’t serial _shooters_, but they weren’t straight either.
A few other mass/serial shooters:
San Bernadino: Arabic man and woman
Navy Yards: black male
Orlando: Afghan-American male
“I don’t like Mondays”: girl
Pacific Air Lines Flight 773: Hispanic male
Binghamton shootings: Vietnamese male
James Edward Pough: black male
Beltway Snipers: two black men: an Islamic convert and an illegal alien
VA Tech: Asian male
Fort Hood: Palestinian-American male
George Banks: biracial male
If you care to add in killings with other weapons, you’ll find people like Priscilla Ford (black female; 7 dead, 22 injured).
Those are the freelancers: We could also talk about the Asian-American shooter at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Since you mention the Columbine shooting and whine that “we” didn’t do anything…
Please note: The so-called federal “assault weapon ban” was in effect. They didn’t use “assault weapons.” They were both prohibited persons, having been ordered into mental health treatment by a judge. They side-stepped existing laws on handgun purchases, age limits, and background checks by using a female straw purchaser (which itself is illegal). They ignored existing laws on concealed carry and “gun-free” zones, not mention unlicensed explosives. That’s before they even pulled a trigger.
What — aside from eliminating everyone 55 or older, which wouldn’t have helped as the killers were 18 and 17 years old — specific solution are you proposing?
But getting rid of everyone over 55yo? That’s roughly 75,000,000 people. Sheesh, Hitler and Stalin were pikers compared to you, Miss Genocide. But that might make your “universal healthcare” workable; Dr. Zeke Emmanuel thought well of it; when advising on Obamacare, he proposed limiting and cutting off care when people got too old.
Personally, I’m strongly opposed to genocide, hence my affillation with The Zelman Partisans. But if that’s your thing, maybe you should consider other target demographics than “straight white men,” or everyone over 55. Take a look at the UCR data on killer age and race. If you’re into ethnic cleansing, you could start with the 5% of US counties that account for nearly all murders.
Pro Tip: If you want people to give up their guns, don’t tell them you want them dead.
Pro Tip 2: Further comments advocating genocide or ethnic cleansing will be deleted. You may exercise your First Amendment to do that on your own blog.
ETA: Oh, and about that “white supremacist;” “Never mind” (in best Emily Litella voice).
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To be honest, I’m venting my frustration. You don’t have the answers. I don’t have the answers. I wanted you to have some sort of philosophical break through on the whole thing so I could at least wrap my mind around something. I appreciate you addressing each point that I made even if we disagree with each other. I will try to apply the information you’ve given me to the thoughts I’m trying to form about the whole ordeal.
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“To be honest, I’m venting my frustration. You don’t have the answers. I don’t have the answers. I wanted you to have some sort of philosophical break through on the whole thing so I could at least wrap my mind around something.”
My blog post was in regards to victim disarmers and incompetents blaming the innocent and firearms. For those who might want actual solutions to the general problem of criminal violence, I provided a link to that.
You need to decide what questions you’re asking before you demand answers.
Then you need to decide to whom you should direct those questions. You probably shouldn’t ask them of a straight white male or anyone over 55, that being whom you blame for… everything.
You certainly shouldn’t seek wisdom from someone you believe lacks self-awareness.
Whomever you choose to ask, I suggest that you don’t start by insulting them, making false claims, and telling them you want them dead. So long as you do that, you’re extremely unlikely to get responses you’ll like.
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I once dated a hispanic woman whose family had Spanish land grants in New Mexico before the Declaration of Independence. She looked like a typical European Caucasian. Remember that the provinces of Aragon and Castile (which formed the Kingdom of Spain in 1492) are just across the border from France.
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When the sink leaks, you call a plumber. And he fits you in to HIS schedule. The same with your doctor. This is called outsourcing, and for a lot of things your stuck with it. When you outsource your personal safety, you get what you get, and on their schedule.
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Oh, and the age comment is something I’ve been waxing on for a while. I think (but haven’t fully decided because I’m still young) that personal growth and desiring self awareness wanes with age because it is a tiring endeavor. I can understand why one would give up after years of trying, or not.
Eh, don’t really care for banning anything. Every thing has its place.
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There is some responsibility fro be borne by the “young people” that knew this P.O.S. How many have now come forward and said some version of “they knew this was coming”? I’m not suggesting witch hunts, or a new epidemic of SWAT-ing, but perhaps a little responsible self policing?
One more thing, about “not liking guns”.
I often hear someone say “If all guns disappeared tomorrow the world would be a safer place”.
That is true.
Unfortunately, it would be a safer place ONLY for the young, the strong, and the well trained.
For 50,000 years the world was dominated by muscle-driven weapons, and those who could use them. Fists and feet, clubs, knives, swords, axes, spears, and bows were the ultimate personal weapons. These weapons all required great upper body strength, and were primarily used successfully by young strong men. It was only with the advent firearm, particularly the repeating rifle and handgun, that the weaker members of society began to have a chance for personal defense against the young and strong.
If you want to leave women, the elderly, the injured, and minorities once again at the mercy of human wolves, then by all means take the guns away.
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Cruz is Hispanic. Just because the FBI defines him as White, doesn’t make it so.
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I haven’t heard how he “identifies.” He’s adopted. Looks generic caucasian, “Cruz” sounds like his adoptive father was Hispanic, but the picture I’ve seen of his adoptive mother didn’t look particularly Hispanic. But then, Hispanic” takes in a lot of territory.
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My solution…end forced schooling, especially for teens. Formal schools, public schools in particular, are a toxic lord-of-the-flies environment that brutalizes young people at a point in their lives when they need the opportunity to grow up amidst the adult world, not stuck in a world of enforced immaturity. End forced schooling for teens and end the discriminatory age and wage laws that prevent young people from working and earning their independence and self-respect. End forced schooling so that those who go to school WANT to be there, and those who do not want to be there can pursue trades or other interests.
Young people need to be set free, not corralled into a high security prisons with armed guards and metal detectors at the doors. Free young people to practice becoming adults in an adult world, not required to remain children when every part of their being is trying desperately to grow up. It should be no surprise so many young people are depressed and act out.
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“This particular shooter was a white supremacist, or nationalist as the media lovingly puts it”
Nope…sorry. MSM not doing it’s job…again. Surprise, surprise.
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When a “reporter” has an IQ lower than the number of eyelets in his shoes, I suppose 4chan looks like a credible source.
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>There’s something to the shooters being straight white men. Hellooooo, elephant in the room.
Helloooo ignorance in the room: https://mass-shootings.info/
Why have shootings gone up?
LBJ’s Welfare Society
Destruction of the nuclear family
Destruction of religion in society
Hedonism and self-indulgance
Social media and trends of materialism and narcissism
Gun “Control”
A government that doesn’t prioritize actual crime. Police departments that would rather be tyrants over and revenue generators from the average man.
Ignorant fools like you who don’t understand that if anyone could shoot back, people better have a darned good reason for shooting first.
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More importantly, Natalie’s whole focus on “how can we prevent these incidents from ever happening” is intellectually abhorrent.
How can we prevent all planes from crashing? How can we prevent all houses from catching fire? How can we prevent all automobiles from colliding? How can we prevent all medically-caused deaths?
Here’s the one true answer. We can’t. We can never.
So step one is to stop proposing ridiculous, offensive, and futile restrictions that will ultimately fail to solve a problem that cannot be solved, a goal that can never be attained. Because you will never achieve the end you seek, this is a recipe for slippery-sloping everything in life. Look at England: after banning guns, they logically had to continue on to ban possession of knives, then cudgels, and even cricket bats; and yet their violent crime problem is worse than ever.
Now, think instead: how can we warn and therefore save MORE residents WHEN their homes catch on fire? How can we protect and therefore save MORE drivers WHEN their cars collide? We promote smoke alarms and sprinklers, non-flammable nightwear, active and passive restraints. These will not save ALL victims — again, another goal that will never be attained — but they give victims major and sufficient additional opportunity to avoid disaster. The victims, in turn, must accept at least a minimal level of responsibility for maintaining their own safety — keeping batteries in the detectors, making sure the airbag light stays off, and not placing the baby seat in the path of the airbag — but as a society we expect functioning adults to be able to cope with these safety mandates.
When you train yourself to think in terms of “what options are available to me to minimize the damage *when this problem has already arisen*,” it changes how you think about spree shooters.
What options does a victim have once the spree shooter is on site? Call the police, and hope they get there in time (a little harder if the school is a cell-phone free zone for students… see how that works?) Run, hide, escape (which hasn’t historically proven effective). Talk the shooter down (even more ineffective). Or resist — defend yourself — which has proven surprisingly effective, but only *when not prohibited by law.*
And this is the crux of the problem: the government has passed a law prohibiting a good person from possessing the most effective tool of self-defense in numerous “soft-target” environments (but mainly schools). As a result, this is precisely where mass shootings occur.
This law purportedly attempts to prevent malefactors from bringing firearms onto school grounds, a goal at which it is demonstrably such a complete and recurring failure that any rational analysis would conclude it should be scrapped. It is a law that disarms exclusively victims, and empowers exclusively predators.
Here is a statistic you will never hear from our major Fake News media: The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by police is 14.29; the average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33. Yes, neither of those numbers is zero. Accept that they will never be zero. Then choose which one you would prefer to live with.
Yes, we have even had school shootings stopped by civilians with guns, where it was legal for them to have those guns… but those cases are few and far between, specifically due to those venues becoming increasingly extinct.
We like to call police and firefighters “first responders,” but we mislead ourselves. The true first responder to any crime is the victim and any existing bystanders — but only when they have the capability to respond effectively, and this capability has not been unconscionably denied them by repugnant legislation or regulation.
Right now, the idea of allowing honest people to arm themselves in schools is treated in social discourse exactly like the idea of allowing honest people to arm themselves on public streets was treated 40 years ago. The repressive architects of the current system scream that any relaxation of law would lead to blood in the streets (classrooms), shootouts over fender benders (heated academic debates), and the return of Dodge City (Columbine). But violent crime (both with or without guns) plummeted once concealed carry was liberalized, just as its proponents predicted. And we already have Columbine today under the current legal system — not in spite of it, but directly because of it.
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So while all the usual gun control politicians were screeching about insignificant “gun show loopholes,” the US Government itself was creating one the size of the Gateway Arch.
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Sorry, posted this in the wrong window, and can’t find a way to delete it.
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Now, now. Broward County Sheriff Israel who’s currently trying to deflect the blame by calling for more “gun” control, did his bit to enable the horror.
Huh, Kinda like Pima County Sheriff Dupnik did after the Giffords shooting, to deflect attention from the fact that he kept letting the shooter go (possibly because asshole’s mommy was a fellow county employee)
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Actually, that comment was meant for another article noting how the US military recently “found” over 4,000 disqualified dischargees that they failed to add to the NICS list.
This page was open at the time because I had earlier attempted to post a longer reply to Ms. Bussjaeger’s commentary, but it has never appeared, and reposting it results in a “you already posted that” message. Did you scotch it for length, or is there a technical issue that might require me posting it in parts, or what?
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Heh. The comment seemed to fit here.
I found your reply to Natalie in the spam folder. Not sure why it went there, unless it was for length, since I don’t see anything else that would trip the alarm.
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Good piece. I think that you need to start calling Dianne Feinstein, Dianne Slimeswine.
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Excuse me, to the dickhead that wrote this article, Chuck Grassley is on our side and he is pro-gun rights. Get your facts straight.
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He’s not on my side.
I’m guessing you want more human/civil rights violations.
The problem was the school, local law enforcement, DCF, FBI, and whoever was supposed to do the NICS reporting not doing the jobs they’re drawing tax dollars to do. There’s no need for Grassley’s premature capitulation in even sitting down to discuss more
gunpeople control.If Grassley were pro-rights (including pro-gun), several ATF cocksuckers, Holder, and possibly higher up would be in prison for Fast & Furious alone. Grassley is pro-“whatever gets me reelected”. If that occasionally means he does some pro-RKBA stuff, it’s coincidental.
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This is going into my next Linkfest: General in the GUNS section.
At the risk of shameless self-promotion, here’s my last one.
http://redpilljew.blogspot.com/2018/02/linkfest-general-feb-17-2018.html
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Thanks. I was reading your Red Pill Journey and saw that you’re a space enthusiast. You might want to read Net Assets.
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Will check it out.
Thanks for taking the time to both look at my blog, and respond too.
I have an essay coming up, tentatively entitled “A Very Personal Opposition to Gun Control”. Hopefully done by the weekend. In my copious free time, of course.
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